fallout 4 why does the institute replace humans
With the presence of Nick valentine in the commonwealth after the CPG (you learn this through some dialog with him as you improve his affinity) it is unlikely that there were any gen 3 synths were in existence at the time of the massacre as Nice seems to have been a prototype for a cognitively enhanced synth project- a prelude to the gen 3. Perhaps it was not a malfunction, and the shooting was intentional. I personally would have liked to see more Nick-style gen 2 synths in the Commonwealth. But no one will say why the synths are being built, or why they’re being made to be human replacements. Virgil didn't inject himself in hopes of transforming into a mutant; he thought he had a viable solution. Hope this helps! The real answer is that the institute wants to replace humans with synths. Confrontations can be seen in the Commonwealth in which a person has mysteriously disappeared for a few days, only to be accused of being a synth upon their return. I’ve been playing a lot of Fallout 4 recently, and there’s one glaring question that I find hasn’t been addressed: Why does the Institute replace people with synths? Somehow, his pure DNA was able to be used to create more perfect gen 3 synths. If a Courser can’t take down a rogue, then there is little that can be done as that rogue is either more capable than any Courser or has friends able to deal with them and are not worth further resources to go after them. If everyone in attendance did die, it seems that this would hamper the availability of the truth on what happened during the CPG massacre. #15 < > Showing 1-15 of 67 comments I can only hope that in the future expansions the story is wrapped up a bit better than it has been so far. The Battle of Bunker Hill: Track down and recover escaped Synths. Human outsiders are not trusted, and generally thought of as vio… Perhaps everyone should just get Pip-boys and VATS for detection purposes. Makes no sense. If you continue to use this site I'll assume that's ok with you. The idea of the CPG was abandoned after this. To be creating full, biologically accurate copies of people, it seems that they would have to abduct people first to be able to create their copies. Link to my Twitter: https://twitter.com/VinylicPuma Hey guys, so I've wanted to make a video discussing my thoughts on the Institute for a while now. Perhaps they do it simply because they can. A more interesting example perhaps is Paladin Danse, of the Brotherhood of Steel (BoS). I’m not even sure they know why themselves. Due to having to travel the Commonwealth to reach the meeting, it seems likely that people were armed. Through continuing the main story-line, it can be discovered that Danse is actually a synth, and was not aware of this. Without warning he opened fire on the residents around him, in an event that has become known as the “Broken Mask”. As it is, there seems to be no way to know if he is aware of his status. There does seem to be a tendency to ascribe more malice to synths than they actually display, however. So, why abduct people if you do not need them to be able to create clones? It seems Bethesda really didn’t put in much about why the synths do what they do . Approximately six months following their internment, a revolt occurred and the staff abandoned Vault 111, leaving behind th… However, how do they replace people? By completing some Institute quest chains, you are sent out to assist a Courser in recovering such synths. The long-term dealing with humanity is a two-fold operation and the first part is humanity winnowing and removal via FEV created beings like Super Mutants. Once most of humanity is gone, then the Synth infiltration will be much higher, and then removing the Super Mutants and rest of humanity is a relatively easy affair as the sleeper Synths are activated, and higher capacity Gen 1 and 2 Synths are sent in to go through removing human survivors in detail, perhaps with a Courser to back them up as field commander. That would make a great DLC! When his synth status is discovered, Elder Maxson orders that Danse be killed. Jan 1, 2016 @ 4:31pm So... why does the Institute replace people with synths again? Personally, I still don’t 100% see them as the bad guys. Synths that have left the Institute, but have retained their “humanity,” as it was before. They are a scientifically literate, technologically advanced, strongly hierarchical society, with humans performing "thinking" jobs, and synth slaves performing manual labor and any tasks "beneath" humans. – Vic Harkness. Almost like that was a giant hint dropped in your lap or something. Perhaps early synths were not designed to be able to deal with alcohol. - Page 5. [A Fallout Reddit thread; bad language alert] Author’s note: There’s no chance of changing The Institute and their apparent goal to replace humans instead of augmenting them. He was gunned down by Diamond City Security, who discovered that he was full of plastic and metal. The Institute is the most powerful and has undeniably done irreparable harm to the people of the commonwealth. One quest you have to help a synth keep his position, and he's there to test plant growth in the wasteland. They're just watching and waiting until the day it becomes safe again. There are no firm answers provided in the game. i had wondered these same questions myself , and also Sean (father) says that some synths escape and they don’t know why… did id miss a further explanation or did bethesda just not give us one? For the location page of their base see The Institute (Location). The use of infrared in facial detection/recognition systems, The use of infrared in facial detection/recognition systems – Vic Harkness, The art of defeating facial detection systems: Part one: General concepts. The use of humans out in the Commonwealth is a way for the Institute to keep tabs on the Synths they send on missions that require no attention, and those gone rogue that require SRB intervention. High technology seems to be possible within the wastes, from Vertibirds to Liberty Prime. This, combined with the knowledge of pre-war ghouls, makes it seem very odd that no-one has repaired an x-ray machine to working order. -FEV Lab in Bioscience in the Institute is the location for the 2 holotapes (they have the same name, but different info) 4. If you are a pre-war individual with any experience of pre-war tech, then you should have some understanding of how an x-ray machine works. The BoS wants to save humanity, but they are fascistic and want to … I don't know if I missed a terminal or something, but I never got any clarification about it. Thanks for your comment, I’m glad you liked the post! Eustace’s description suggests that there were more mechanical parts to Mr. Carter than just a singular Synth component, however. You can also find on a terminal a list of people that are informants for the Institute, which I suspect means people that have been replaced by Synths. I mean, that worked out so well in Vault 75, didn’t it? After Playing through all four possible endings, I have to admit there seems to be no reason to save The Institute. synth at first very limited in response and totally robot brain and not much they can do. A person was pointing a gun at a person that appeared identical to them-self, kneeling on the floor with their hands raised. Some see them as a workforce, while others are literally trying to create a better human. If they are found by the Railroad, their memories are wiped and they are returned to the Commonwealth. As far as the institute is concerned the current generation of synths is close but not ready for full scale replacement. However, in Fallout 4, you’re presented with two organizations that have responded to the evils of the post-nuclear world with brutality and deceit. Due to my character’s high charisma, I was able to convince the suspected-synth that I could be trusted and that they should just tell me if they were a synth. Just set up one Companion to be Madame Mystery…or put that as an alternate for an NPC like Magnolia (if you can tear her away from the stage…although she would be great on SS Radio come to think of it…calling Lynda Carter!) Fallout 4. See my prior comments on the raider leading synth. Broken Mask takes place 58 years before the year in which the game is set. That, admittedly, is one of the nitpicks I think people bring up when they are butthurt with Fallout 4. This is a misunderstanding perpetuated by the fact that your son is a rare example of someone who is kidnapped. But it seems so...unnecessary. There is just enough lore to explain most things in Fallout 4 to not be annoyed about it, as much as I would have liked more, especially to do with Brotherhood and the Lone Wanderer. Generation 3 synths are indistinguishable from humans so they need food and living quarters just like humans. It is interesting to wonder when Danse was replace, due to his being completely unaware that it has happened. Perhaps they do it to test how high-functioning their synths are, that they are able to live alongside humans, disguised so well that even their loved-ones struggle to tell them apart from the originals. When the player meets Shaun at the Institute, he is aged 60 (having been 1 year old the last time he was seen by the player). Do coursers gather intel about the person? This seems like it would be a counter-intuitive action on the Institute’s part. I could understand high ranking officials and stuff, but even then, they always talk about wanting as little to do with the wasteland as possible and they seem more than capable at securing whatever they need with their armed forces. Suddenly, the smile left his face and his cheek started twitching. Synths escape from the Institute. Instead of helping the human population, The Institute replaces them with synths and makes . Both effectively destroy what was human within than synth, which to me defeats the purpose of that synth having escaped. Part 2 is harder, but Virgil points to the FEV used by the Institute as different than that seen in prior Fallout games: it can be created with a weakness for reverting individuals. The synth confirmed that they were a synth, and asked me to help them kill the other guy so that he could take over his life. The Institute is an advanced scientific organization based in the Commonwealth. The source of x-ray radiation within the machines seen in game may have been depleted due to the long period of time, but it seems likely that the greatest minds of the Commonwealth would have been able to come up with an alternative. There is a quest in which the player has to meet Bonnie, a ghoul, in Diamond City. I elected to let the human shoot the synth. very insightful! I still can't figure out how replacing people with synths was supposed to help humanity as Institute standards. Is having him steer people away from investigating disappearances really of benefit though? They replace a person so they're not introducing a random new person to a society that is suspicious of newcomers as it is. . As the “Broken mask” was an event involving a gen 3, cpg likely predated “Broken mask”. I really wish this was addressed in the story, but nope. Honestly though, I was suprised how small the institute was. from the information gathered in the game synth are use for labor, guinea pig, maintenance, military, scavenging purpose, infiltration, and as waitress/shopkeeper. First off, does the Institute replace people with synths? It appears that the Institute does occasionally recruit scientists, but that's about it; they seem far more interested in being isolated from the rest of the world. Perhaps the Institute did want the Commonwealth to form a government, and they did simply sent a synth to observe the proceedings and potentially help shape them as needed. Fallout 4 > General Discussions > Topic Details. A synth such as Nick however, is seen as helpful by the people of the Commonwealth, despite him quite obviously being a synth. He can help the player build the teleporter to gain access to the Institute for the first time, but as Father wanted to speak to the player this does not really suggest anything for/against him being aware of being a synth. The Railroad and the BoS have good goals but are misguided and over zealous. This seems to be the only confirmation of their nature, their corpses look otherwise human. Talk about quests, gameplay mechanics, perks, story, characters, and more. The centaur never made it into game due to them being replaced with the mutant hounds, This new creature comes with custom animations, a brand new sculpt all topped off with a classic spit attack (which was a pain to get working :hidethepain:) Per Shaun’s abduction, it seems that the Institute needs DNA to create their gen 3 synths. They are trying to find out when they have created the best synth that can fully replace a human being, or perhaps become the new human race entirely. It seems that people on this list are aware that they are synths, but there are also people (often unlisted) that may not be aware. Due to all accounts of the event being rumors and hearsay (I don’t suppose anyone took minutes during a massacre), it seems that this will remain an unanswered question. If they are caught by the Institute their memories are wiped, and they are returned to work. Or… given them any mission statement at all. Father and other members of the Institute never really give you a justifiable reason as to why they kidnap people, or what happens to them afterward. The Gen3 synths just happened to be lifelike enough to be able to infiltrate, which allowed the institute to track all the goings on up on the surface. Since they've teamed up with surface-dwellers before, they even developed a tech that allows extended life by combining synth components into an organic person. I still can't figure out how replacing people with synths was supposed to help humanity as Institute standards. Perhaps if the Institute could replace the majority of the people (as seen in The World’s End movie), they could facilitate a sort of peace in the wastelands. They were originally meant to be a tool, but beacuse of how advanced they are, and the proof of free will and even dreams, lots of opinions ahve changed on what the synths COULD be. The Institute tried to help establish a government to maintain order and peace. The Institute was born from the Commonwealth Institute of Technology, or CIT, a renowned university based in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Some how, this thread remionds me of why on some level, I do respect and feel a slim degree of empathy for Kellog. gorillas. Either way, I am disappointed that the player is not provided with more information on the “why” of the Institute’s activities. Did the Institute attend the meeting with the intention of killing everyone in attendance? I've completed all four faction questlines and this is still a question I never got answered. I imagine with a game as large as Fallout 4, the writing team had to be pretty big, and if they assigned certain people to do smaller, flavor pieces, they might have just had a very different interpretation, since the actual Institute in the quest doesn't seem to live up to the image that is otherwise presented in a lot of the side stuff. Your email address will not be published. It could have simply been blamed on synths due to the building fear of them, without a synth actually being responsible. Do they want to crossbreed humans and synths? In the town of Covenant, the SAFE Test (which appears to be a copy of the GOAT seen in Fallout 3) is employed as a method of synth detection. It seems unlikely. There’s no debate that the Institute replaces people with synths. It seems likely that Nick cannot be unique. Once you reach the Institute you see that the Gen 3 synths really are indistinguishable from humans. Some have a clear purpose of acting as agents on the surface. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It is commented by Piper that the Diamond City Security do not investigate reports of disappearances, most likely at the order of McDonough. Members of the Institute are quite adverse to going above ground, and I can’t see a Courser wanting to do much talking. Then again, perhaps having McDonough be aware of the Institute/his position is more beneficial. By using synths, the institute hopes to drastically boost the standard of living for all humans that exist in that post-apocalyptic world. The first was that he was dying, and wanted me to replace him to lead The Institute. Why is the Institute happy to abandon some synths, but not others? Options to replace all humans with nothing/ferals/synths, rescue new settlers, spawn stalkers to grief you, dodge loot coughing nukes randomly launched at you. Despite all of my thinking on this, I really don’t know. In some cases that makes sense, but in others it doesn't. In 2229 (some 60 years before the player visits Diamond City), Mr. Carter visited Diamond City. He's just some average Joe who's about to be erased so his synth copy can take his place. They want humanity to survive, and forming a government seems like it would be a first step in the direction of re-forming a civilization. Perhaps synths like Nick are a form of “public relations” action being taken by the Institute? Then again, VATS can be used to detect if any settlers within the player’s towns have been replaced by synths, by inspecting their energy resistance levels. The factions in Fallout 4 are arranged so that the most powerful factions are the most evil. It has certainly made me think twice about which faction I want to side with in the main story-line. It seems that people would not be very happy with this. before the original can be removed), or perhaps they intend for the copy to dispose of the original them-self. The player has the option to become the leader of the Institute, and even doing so does not provide the player with more answers. So, why does the Institute do it? It seems that the copy would absolutely need to be able to take a copy somehow to be able to fit in in the original’s place. One or two vital commanders suddenly being taken out can turn the tide of an important fight, as the Hashisham demonstrated back in the day. That tech prolonged his life, made him capable of things most humans could never achieve. However, Coursers are not famous for their diplomacy skills. Mr. Carter reportedly had arrived in town earlier that day and had been quite friendly, setting people around him at ease. Figure this out yet? Anyone who blames the Institute for the "Attack" on Diamond City does not know or pay attention to the truth. Funny thing is, the whole plot (synths, the Institute, the Railroad, the Synth Retention Bureau, etc.) There are also cases where people have disappeared to never return, with the Institute being the lead suspect in the disappearance. One quest you have to help a synth keep his position, and he's there to test plant growth in the wasteland. As he opened fire, he showed no emotion. Perhaps he is too well protected on the Prydwen for even the Institute to be able to reach. 2.5, perhaps? How hard are synths to detect, really? They want to be the saviors of humanity...but all the surface dwelling humans are "dirty" so I don't doubt that they could care less if everyone from the surface dies, so they can re-populate the earth with perfected people. The Institute seems to have no interest in recovering him, having wiped his memories of the Institute and set him free. As gen 3 synths seem to be biologically very similar to humans (down to it being possible to “romance” them), their detection without killing them seems to be a difficulty. - #141188707 added by captchakid at Fallout 4 It seems like a nice way of taking care of the person being replaced to bring them in for FEV testing. Will synths be a slave labor class while all ten of the remaining humans sip mimosas? It can be found out through the story-line that the Memory Den works with the Railroad to help implant fake memories in to escaped synths. I can understand stuff like phase 1,2 or Courser synths since they're stronger and have longevity and stuff. He states that it ended in bickering and infighting, and that it was a disaster. Perhaps the reason that some synths attempt to escape the Institute is because they believe that the former is better than the latter. I really feel that if they hadn't been bodysnatching people, the Commonwealth might have been more receptive to their new scientist overlords. The Railroad mind-wipes synths who have gotten free from the institute and have sentience. Press J to jump to the feed. However, after Virgil’s escape, it seems that the FEV testing lab has fallen into disuse by the Institute. Many old Fallout fans were unimpressed by the voiced protagonists, the few conversation options, the simplistic kill-and-loot quests, and lots of other things. The Institute does NOT kidnap people. It seems that this would be a very clumsy method of abducting/replacing people, however. The problem with space junk: What is the problem? Like that scientist they have you kidnap from the house with minutemen outside. By then I knew that Gen 3 Synths drop Synth Components and that seemed a reliable way to find out if someone was a Synth. 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